Re: Synchronated Updates

You probably better ask starwindz either by pm or in the total pack thread. I just make the data

thanks

The Amiga or PC? setting should be totally independent of the which database do you want option, though.

Hello chaps, first time poster. Have to say the project is a massive success so far. Found the site a week ago and I ve been spreading the word amongst my old amiga buddies. You ve done a truly amazing job.

Regarding the team updates I was attempting to resolve any issues I had by creating my own team list but I ve come up against the packing/repacking issue and it s all nu territory for me. I m so impressed that someone has taken the time to make the current teamsheets reflective of the league. I have only one criticism. It s felt as though the new teams have altered the game speed alot so even in English League Two the game feels like a massive sprint compared with 96/97 teams. Having done a comparison I ve noticed the following:

A sum of the Speed column on the original release over the 27680 entries shows a total of 46222.

A sum of the Speed column on the current release over the 26096 entries shows a total of 76492.

In summary it appears that you ve almost doubled the amount of speed attributes in the game. If this is intentional then so be it however it would be nice to have it more akin to original release if possible simply because I m finding the amount of cpu he shoots, my keeper saves but spills it and the cpu gets a tap in goals have gone up by a factor of about 5 since swapping to this release.

Again I don t want to appear ungrateful, I am very impressed with the entire project I m just pointing out some Speed creep. For career mode its killing the fun a bit ;o)

That s an interesting analysis, I will definitely check it out. Thinking about it, I can probably cross-check all 7 attributes in a similar way, relative to 96-97, and re-balance them so that it s more like the original. So, cool and I will definitely look at addressing it before next season s release!

You sir, are a legend ;o) If there s anything I can do to help let me know.

Right, I m not asleep yet to might as well do the number crunch ;oP

So I ve attempted to use more realistic data by removing the El Salvador, National and Custom teams from the new data (leaving 22304 players) and removed National and Custom teams from the old data (removing Guatemala from the old makes only between .02 and .06 difference to any of the skill pt avgs so left it in, leaving 23280 players) and worked it out on a per player basis. As a result its given me similar and interesting data as shown below:

Original 96/97 db (23280 players):	Pass	Vel	Head	Tackl	Cntrl	Spd	Fin	Cost
Total	34242	22843	44862	55521	28161	37523	32348
Avg skill pt per plyr	1.47	0.98	1.93	2.38	1.21	1.61	1.39	282374
Nu 12/13 db (22304 players):	Pass	Vel	Head	Tackl	Cntrl	Spd	Fin	Cost
Total	47178	38244	47640	44165	47986	60994	38456
Avg skill pt per plyr	2.16	1.71	2.14	1.98	2.15	2.73	1.72	414054

So there s a couple of other conclusions I m making based on the data:
1) The ratio of Tackl:Cntrl has gone from roughly almost 2:1 to less than 1:1 which, as far as I understand it, means its generally harder to dispossess opponents.
2) There s been an increase in Passing skill points in the region of about 47% (if the 0-7 scale per player is linear in its contribution basically means 10% more pass accuracy overall).
3) Velocity Finishing points have gone up by 74(ish)% and 24(ish)% respectively meaning more goals and keepers being less effective (probably *at least* 15% more, not including other changes).
4) 70% more Speed skill points (again assuming the 0-7 scale is linear contributing to about a 16% speed increase in the player movement/gameplay (which is significant given the existing increase just between releases of SWOS (mentioned in the playguide review vid on the site www.sensiblesoccer.de/community/news ) at 15mins 30secs into the video).

So in summary, players that have possession are far more likely to keep it (less effective tackling/more effective passing) and score from it. Versus the CPU: speedier teams will be harder to beat (reduced time to react, more regular pass/shot interference and first to rebounds) and slower teams will be easier to beat (less likely to dispossess you). It should translate to less realistic scorelines (not quite cricket scores ;o) ).

The average player price is about 50% more, from 282,374k to 414,054k. Not sure that necessarily a bad thing given that Playaveli s yummy gimme the cash tactics tend to yield well and we re more astute players than when the game first came out, especially with access to the player db. It may mean more ongoing finance issues from wages for players in career mode if they acquire their desirable squads however afaics the price and the attributes are linked so changing the skills automatically changes the price?

Sounds harsh, not meant to be, so much respect for you gents for your hard work. I m just hoping to contribute to keeping the game challenging for the right reasons and preserving the 2player balance. I m not precious bout my maths so feel free to bash me as much as ya like if I m wrong!

preserving the 2player balance.

Synchro s roster update s definitely a commendable effort and we re all more than grateful for his invaluable work but yeah, it s gotten some problems here and there (biggest one is IMHO the arbitrary 0 s handed out depending on the role/template, although I haven t checked the latest release so they might not be there anymore).

That being said, the supposed sanctity of the original database is kind of a made-up, far-fetched misconception, even Jon Hare himself says so.

14. I believe that the original database was carefully tweaked to best suit the gameplay, do you think that modifying it (mods such as roster updates and stuff) might edulcorate the game experience as it was originally intended?

As long as the minimums and maximums used by the original data are not exceeded database modifications should be fine

Game is faster, big deal, suck it up and adapt your playstyle, it s still within the boundaries of what the developers originally coded.

i would welcome a slower paced overall game speed
especially in the english premiere league